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A discussion With Mrs. Shaffer about teenage dating.

  

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Mrs. Shaffer: Welcome......how can I help you?:)

Ronit: hello again

Ronit: we were talking before but then you had to go, remember?

Ronit: and rabbi turk just transferred me to you...

Mrs. Shaffer: remind me :)

Ronit: about the guy girl issue

Mrs. Shaffer: ok....but what were we talking about? :)

Ronit: talking to guyz etc how i like this guy and how my feelings are becoming stronger beyond my control..

Ronit: im 16 yrs old..

Ronit: remmeber now?

Mrs. Shaffer: yes...I do...I'm sorry we were cut short the other day :)

Ronit: its ok

Mrs. Shaffer: so..that's the deal, basically.....we've got to learn to postpone gratifying lots of needs.... :)

Ronit: right but right now my feelings for him are, might i say strong, and im having trouble controlling them..thinking dreaming about him etc..and im not really sure what to do coz its getting out of control..

Mrs. Shaffer: it's only getting out of control if you allow it to get out of control :)

Ronit: not really though

Mrs. Shaffer: you're the one who's in control....and you either keep it, or give it up....your decision :)

Ronit: the fact is i like him and have feelings towards him so..?

Mrs. Shaffer: so...put them on hold...

Mrs. Shaffer: in a couple of years from now...when you can be serious about marriage...then you see how you feel about him, and then meet him...if you still feel the same way

Ronit: its really not so easy to shove away a feeling that is so strong,..

Mrs. Shaffer: did I say 'easy'? :)

Mrs. Shaffer: if it were easy....we'd not be having this conversation :)

Ronit: no u didnt but just pointing it out;)

Mrs. Shaffer: of course it's not easy, it's darned hard!!

Ronit: u can say that again!!

Mrs. Shaffer: but that's also the value and beauty of it :)

Ronit: so how on earth am i meant to go about controlling m y feeligns and sexual desires towards this guy...??

Mrs. Shaffer: Ronit....I didn't say you have to 'control' your feelings and desires....(that's a separate conversation).....I said you have to 'control' your behaviour/actions

Mrs. Shaffer: your feelings are legitimate...what you have to control is acting on them. know what I mean?

Ronit: i guess..

Mrs. Shaffer: you have any little brothers or sisters?

Ronit: yep

Mrs. Shaffer: how old?

Ronit: 2 brothers are below me..10 and 4

Mrs. Shaffer: ok...so picture this:

Ronit: yes?

Mrs. Shaffer: you're sitting in Shul with your little 3 or 4 or 5 year old brother...and the lady next to him is wearng this very soft looking sweater...and your little brother reaches out to stroke the material....he says, it looks so soooft....

Mrs. Shaffer: you'd say to him,...no, no...don't touch ....

Mrs. Shaffer: but he feels very strongly the desire to touch that soft fabric....

Mrs. Shaffer: you would tell him, wouldn't you, that even though he really, really wants to feel it...he mustn't reach out and stroke the back of this lady....yes?

Ronit: right..

Mrs. Shaffer: and what youu'd tell him...is....I know you really want to feel it....I understand the desire ....but you mustn't act on it

Mrs. Shaffer: same thing here :)

Ronit: but this is such a stornger desire

Mrs. Shaffer: yes, it is...and you're also much older than 4 or 5 :)

Ronit: hmm

Ronit: your good;)

Ronit: can i ask u another question?

Mrs. Shaffer: sure

Ronit: what are some practical suggestions of how i can distract myself from all of this..?

Mrs. Shaffer: immersion in activities that are enjoyable....and expending time and energy in areas that are removed from this...

Mrs. Shaffer: tell me what you like doing....what're you doing now?

Ronit: well i'm imn school and 2morrow starts 3rd term... we've just been on holidays

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same situation...

Posted by: Anonymous on Sep 27, 2006

I am going through the same thing as Ronit, for over a year now (i just turned 17). Last year was really bad- tough family situation and I was always really down-so I was constantly confused about the whole boy situation.

I only saw him at a specific friend's house, and I still go to her house and see him, but I am very careful with what I say and do. I think about him a lot, though, and I dream about him, but I've gotten used to that by now, and I don't let it interfere with my life. Now that I'm feeling better I can deal with my feelings for this boy. To help me deal with my sometimes overwhelming desire to talk to him, though, I've write in diary form to him- I don't send him the letters!- and it really helps.

I'm still not positive that I'm doing the right thing, but my parents are ok with it and so is a Rav that I asked (other people have said it's wrong), and it's a very contained situation.

But I totally understand, Ronit, and good luck!

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