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Do I have to believe the supernatural stories of the Torah?

  

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Rabbi Shlomo Chein: Welcome. I'll be with you in a moment...what's on your mind?

Chana Doe: I don't believe in the whole concept of Moshiach

Chana Doe: it's too wierd

Rabbi Shlomo Chein: do you believe in the Exodus from Egypt"?

Chana Doe: yes

Rabbi Shlomo Chein: is that not too wierd

Chana Doe: no

Chana Doe: because it's an exodus. we escaped. but moshiach is different... it give supernatural powers/qualities to a person

Rabbi Shlomo Chein: what do you mean we escaped?

Rabbi Shlomo Chein: do you believe in the ten plagues, do you believe in the story about Moses

Chana Doe: not all of it

Rabbi Shlomo Chein: do you believe in miracles?

Chana Doe: yes but not in the way that you are talking about

Rabbi Shlomo Chein: can you explain

Chana Doe: I believe there can be miracles in modern science like if someone is sick and they are suppsed to die but they don't

Chana Doe: I don't believe in supernatural powers

Rabbi Shlomo Chein: ok - so you don't believe in the splitting of the red sea or the manna that fell from heaven?

Chana Doe: no

Chana Doe: moses did not part that red sea because that is impossible

Chana Doe: I think it was low tide

Chana Doe: but back then they didn't know what low tide was

Chana Doe: I don't believe in the bible word for word

Rabbi Shlomo Chein: who do you think made the bible

Chana Doe: rabbis, scholars, prophets

Chana Doe: I don't think it was written by G-d or that G-d spoke to moses on top of that mountain

Rabbi Shlomo Chein: why do you think so -- i mean seriously, you really think that! don't you know the whole thing was just made up about 2000 years ago

Rabbi Shlomo Chein: i mean don't tell me you believe in this whole "Jewish people" thing

Rabbi Shlomo Chein: there is no such thing!

Chana Doe: first, what was made up about 2000 years ago?

Rabbi Shlomo Chein: the bible!

Rabbi Shlomo Chein: it was written by some Persian poet named Moses Azuzian

Rabbi Shlomo Chein: the whole concept that there is a religion or "people" called jews with laws and homepland is just a metaphor

Chana Doe: I don't know what you are talking about

Rabbi Shlomo Chein: there were never such people called Abraham or Issac, or the Jews

Chana Doe: what?

Rabbi Shlomo Chein: they were never in Egypt and they never heard G-d at the foot of Mount Sinai

Chana Doe: yes, there were

Rabbi Shlomo Chein: says who?

Chana Doe: it's in the bible

Rabbi Shlomo Chein: the bible is not meant to be taken literally -- come on, you just told me that as well

Chana Doe: right, its not

Rabbi Shlomo Chein: exactly!

Rabbi Shlomo Chein: And when it says there that there is a people called "Jews" and they have laws, and a homeland, and a history, that is not literal

Chana Doe: I believe that abraham, and Isaac lived etc. but how do we really know that G-d spoke to moses.? Some of it is metaphoric

Rabbi Shlomo Chein: it is all poteic, it is part of a vision of some ancient poet -- there is no proof to any of it... there were a people who decided to ride on the fame of the book - which was popular at the time - and so they called themselves the jews, and the rest is history

Rabbi Shlomo Chein: why do you believe that abraham and isaac lived?

Chana Doe: So, I guess it's all a strange concept. I mean I do seem to pick and choose what I believe from the Torah. I believe that abraham, isaac, and Jacob existed and were our forefathers and I do believe in the exodus and celebrate Passover yet I dont' believe that moses really parted the red sea

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